Ironic name for a child molester

[the_std]

Also, how about the seemingly-foreign idea that prison is part of a justice system intended to rehabilitate, not to punish? You know, a system that will keep rapes from happening, not force them to happen?

How can the justice system turn around and say, "Well, Billy Bob raped Jill, so therefore we raped Billy Bob, and now that is the end of the chain! No more rapes!" How does raping a rapist cure them of the desire to rape and stop it from happening again?

Rape is largely a crime of opportunity, therefore having a deterrent such as "don't rape or you'll be raped" is hardly going to be effective, just like the death penalty has not stopped people from murdering others in the heat of the moment.

Therefore, as Jaden concluded, the only motivation for raping a rapist really is revenge, not justice. You did it to someone? We do it to you. That is revenge. You did it to someone. We want to keep it from happening again while doling out appropriate punishment. That is justice.

[BlaqueKatt]

And Huckster is absolutely right. Who would impartially rape somebody? That's literally not even possible. The "impartial rapist" would be just as traumatized as the rapist he was raping if he didn't want to do it and was compelled to, and if he did want to do it, then he's a fucking rapist.

The only thing condoning the rape of rapists does is satisfy a base and vulgar lust for revenge, so call it what it is. Don't put a righteous spin on it just to justify it to yourself.

It occurred to me that because rape is about fear, power, and control and not sex, a "clinical, emotionally detached rape" would never do anything more than cause discomfort and psychological trauma, and would the raped rapist be availed of rape counselling, as their victim, or would they just be turned back on the street, emotionally damaged(possibly seeking their own revenge, possibly developing mental illness, and committing further more heinous crimes), because their sentence has been served?

Also there are other levels of sexual assault.

If someone grabs my breasts, they will likely go to jail, if "the punishment fits the crime" does someone just grab their pectoral muscles? Because yup that'll do something positive.

and how would one punish victimless crimes? such as DUI, in the absence of a crash, possessing contraband that someone else produced?

Or the wrongfully convicted, how would you "take back a rape", or does the "detached clinical rapist" now have to be raped because they raped an innocent person?

It simply doesn't work, and that's why we have a Justice system and not a Vengeance system.


Vengeance-infliction of injury, harm, humiliation, or the like, on a person by another who has been harmed by that person; violent revenge

Justice-the quality of being just; righteousness, equitableness, or moral rightness

[Nyoibo]

Because our supposedly "civilised justice" system has worked so well to date, same shit different name and it hasn't done a damned thing, maybe the threat of something nasty happening might do something, I don't know, but what we've got doesn't work either.

[TheHuckster]

Because our supposedly "civilised justice" system has worked so well to date, same shit different name and it hasn't done a damned thing, maybe the threat of something nasty happening might do something, I don't know, but what we've got doesn't work either.

Rapists are not well in the head. Giving them a taste of their own medicine is not going to do anything to change them. The best thing to do is, generally speaking, lock them up and throw away the key, which in many cases they do. Unless they're able to be medically rehabilitated, they can't exit the prison.

[Jaden]

Because our supposedly "civilised justice" system has worked so well to date, same shit different name and it hasn't done a damned thing, maybe the threat of something nasty happening might do something, I don't know, but what we've got doesn't work either.

Yeah, it's totally not the same shit with a different name. Saying it is doesn't make it so. Our justice system may need work, but it's certainly far more preferable than what you're suggesting.

[BlaqueKatt]

Because our supposedly "civilised justice" system has worked so well to date, same shit different name and it hasn't done a damned thing, maybe the threat of something nasty happening might do something, I don't know, but what we've got doesn't work either.

except even the death penalty doesn't deter crimes, so obviously "something nasty" does jack squat for deterrance, maybe if we focused on rehabilitation, and working within the community(which has been proven to work), rather than the "let them rot for their crimes" mentality.

Some 13,219 prisoners released from January 1999 to December 2001 were included in the study. Martin found that such options as community service programs, work release, and electronic monitoring were cheaper than incarceration and showed lower levels of recidivism after twelve months. The addition of a treatment component to the community-based option, such as a drug treatment program, produced a further 10% reduction in recidivism.

[crashhelmet]

except even the death penalty doesn't deter crimes, so obviously "something nasty" does jack squat for deterrance, maybe if we focused on rehabilitation, and working within the community(which has been proven to work), rather than the "let them rot for their crimes" mentality.

Rehabilitation takes more than just what occurs inside prison walls. Often times, a convict is released and continually treated as if they were still locked up. No respect, difficulty finding a job or a place to live. For some, it's easy to return to crime because it's the only way they can survive.

[fireheart17]

Rehabilitation takes more than just what occurs inside prison walls. Often times, a convict is released and continually treated as if they were still locked up. No respect, difficulty finding a job or a place to live. For some, it's easy to return to crime because it's the only way they can survive.

QFT.

And even if you're not locked away in prison, depending on the offence, you may be lining up at the unemployment office for a while. (for one simple assault that occurred while drunk for example).

[protege]

*unless-wait there is no unless, it is not ever acceptable, giving any loophole for saying it is opens the door, and perpetuates rape culture. read the article.

Holy crap, I'm agreeing with you...again

As much I have *no* sympathy for criminals, even I think that such revenge is a bit much. My feeling has always been, that if you don't want to end up in prison...then don't commit the fucking crime in the first place! But, that's neither here nor there. I'm all for seeing assholes getting their 'just desserts,' but this...no.

Why, you ask? Simply put, if we start treating criminals--even those who have committed horrible crimes--with the same treatment that they gave their victim--we're no better than they are. Think about it, who is the animal in that equation? That's why, instead of forcibly raping them...why not something a bit less severe? Why not cut off a toe or finger? I'm not totally serious, folks! I just don't know the answer to the problem.

But, back to horrible crimes. Down the street from me, lives a creepy dude. Not "creepy" like Frankenstein...but "creepy" in the idea that something isn't quite right with him. Up until now, he hasn't done anything, but some of his actions seem to be red flags. That is, he'll spend hours walking around the neighborhood. At certain houses, usually ones with children, he'll spend a few minutes *staring* at said house I'm in my mid-30s, I have no children...and he creeps *me* out. Enough, that I can only imagine what the kids think if they see him. I know that my neighbor's 14-year-old daughter won't even come out of the house if he's on his rounds.

One guy that *has* done something (sexual assault on a child) was once a member of my train club. We knew that he was arrested and in jail...but up until last year, had no idea what for. When we found out the reason (and sadly, it wasn't the asshole's first time either )...the outrage was immediate. Quite a few members have children about the victim's age, so their rage was understandable. They threatened to not only pull their memberships, but some even hinted what they might do if he ever showed up at an annual convention! After much discussion between various people, we came to the conclusion that he simply had to go. We didn't want to appear as condoning his behavior, nor did we want to assume possible liability--either if he did something, or if he got his ass beat. There are some crimes that simply aren't easily swept under the rug.

[SkullKing]

Why, you ask? Simply put, if we start treating criminals--even those who have committed horrible crimes--with the same treatment that they gave their victim--we're no better than they are.

I strongly disagree with this. Warranted violence is different than unwarranted.

Retribution is different than agression.

That said, I do think that a focus om rehabilitation should exist. I do not condone hard punishments as a deterrent.

Moreover, punishment, and rehabilitation are not mutually exclusive.

[Andara Bledin]

Violence in defense is warranted. Violence in revenge (no matter what else you choose to call it) is only marginally less wrong than the original violence.

Violence as punishment is only useful when your subject lacks the ability to comprehend the basic concepts associated with more civilized forms of redress.

^-.-^

[SkullKing]

I suppose this is very subjective since it deals with right and wrong, but I strongly disagree.

Unwarranted violence is wrong. Righteous violence as retribution is right.

[Andara Bledin]

Righteous violence as retribution is right.

And just who gets to say whether your violence is righteous retribution or just abhorrent violence?

I mean, really, there are a lot of things that are considered atrocities today that were thought to be perfectly reasonable "righteous retribution" when they were originally committed.

^-.-^

[SkullKing]

And just who gets to say whether your violence is righteous retribution or just abhorrent violence?

Well, who decides what is right and wrong?

[BlaqueKatt]

Well, who decides what is right and wrong?

that usually is decided by harm done, or potential to do harm.