things I love- karmic justice

[Exaspera]

Sheesh, y'all are sooooo young!

http://www.straightdope.com/columns/...gs-or-the-fuzz

An excerpt from the above article:

If you thought the term pig arose in the 1960s, you're in for a surprise. The OED cites an 1811 reference to a "pig" as a Bow Street Runner--the early police force, named after the location of their headquarters, before Sir Robert Peel and the Metropolitan Police Force (see above.) Before that, the term "pig" had been used as early as the mid-1500s to refer to a person who is heartily disliked.

The usage was probably confined to the criminal classes until the 1960s, when it was taken up by protestors. False explanations for the term involve the gas masks worn by the riot police in that era, or the pigs in charge of George Orwell's Animal Farm.

While police officers usually don't mind being called "cops," they aren't usually fond of the term "pig." A policeman's lot is not an 'appy one.

I started hearing about the term "pig" in the 60s during the war protests.

[Nyoibo]

It's also pretty dumb to make blanket statements about the behaviour of people based on connections of word usage, but to each their own it would seem.

[Hobbs]

One of my friends in high school was murdered, her killer was pleaded out on a lesser charge because of a 5th Amendment technicality. It is refreshing to see a criminal who is going to see justice brought against them despite all the applications of the 5th Amendment that protect the guilty.
I do like the concept of the 5th Amendment, but that does not change that it has been used far too many times as a means of protecting the guilty.
And if by those like me, you mean law abiding citizens, then yes... criminals though...

Ah, so it is conditional for only the people you feel worthy of protection. Everyone is, as a citizen of this nation, guaranteed "certain unalienable rights." If you make such rights conditional, then you give the state cause to begin amending those conditions as well. What happened to your friend was wrong, but whatever happened that infringed on the culprits rights was also wrong. Guilt does not take away your rights as a person.

[Red Panda]

I think its pretty dumb to assume that becouse somebody populized a saying that nobody else is allowed to use it. Its been adopted by alot of inner city gangs now. The really bad ones that are serious about killing police.

[smileyeagle1021]

Worthless piece of crap called the 5th Amendment? Now I know your slipping off the deep end with your hate. How can you call the amendment that protects against self-incrimination, double-jeopardy and due process a "worthless piece of crap"? I'm seriously confused here, considering you're all for equal rights and justice (but apparently, only for those like you).

One of my friends in high school was murdered, her killer was pleaded out on a lesser charge because of a 5th Amendment technicality. It is refreshing to see a criminal who is going to see justice brought against them despite all the applications of the 5th Amendment that protect the guilty.
I do like the concept of the 5th Amendment, but that does not change that it has been used far too many times as a means of protecting the guilty.
And if by those like me, you mean law abiding citizens, then yes... criminals though...

Oh, and as far as going without police protection for a month, most Utahns already know, if you are in trouble, you protect yourself, the cops here can't help you.

[Plaidman]

What?? How.. HUH?

Wow. I guess all those jokes that kids in school would scream they smell bacon when cop comes by, or that Chief Wiggum on Simpsons looks like a pig, or how growing up, my family would go off on pigs on a dime, even though I was constantly told to rely on them for help if I ever was being chased or I was told to dial 911 if any of my family got shot in the home.

Just wow. So many years, so many people of people calling cops Pigs, they were in fact calling police, police killers? Is that... right?


I have alot of respect for alot of cops. Not all cops. Especally since Portland Police are rift with corrption and racists. (Seriously... only in Portland, can police beat a homeless man in the police shelter for no reason, and get in very little trouble. Only in Portland can police shoot amd kill a naked black man on fire, screaming for help, because he MIGHT have a weapon. Only in Portland do they send dozens and dozens of SERT, snipers, armored cars, canine units etc, for a single black teen who has a tiny handgun that was thinking suicide. When it's a white man, its only one or two cops that come. Only in Portland is it legal for a Captain of the force to pepperspray a baby in the face, because hey, their mom was being loud.

Not all cases are bad though. Alot of people were giving some cops beef for tasering a 13 year old girl, and another cop for hitting a women.

Both those cases were filmed of course, and it doesn't matter that for the 14 year old girl having a weapon ( a knife?), and was damn near 6 feet already and a good 200+ lbs of muscle. As for the women being hit? It was a single cop against another women that hit him first, and he was surronded by these girls many many friends of both genders. He was in his rights to defend himself, especally since several of the videos shown was he only hit her after he was hit by her first and she was trying to grab his gun.


There are alot of good cops in Portland. Some have came in to help me with shoplifters. Some even joked around with me before, such as coming in after a robbery "So Plaidman, what's your address again, or should I just flip back through my notes...?"

(Or him and other cops laughing at one tape of me fighting off a much larger man that was trying to kill me) WOOO! Look at the little guy go! Ahh... I mean, Plaidman... I know he came around the counter, and the emergny line was busy... but ya gotta be careful man"

[Nyoibo]

I take it none of you ever heard of Charles Manson

Exactly. You are picking a group and extrapolating it to everyone that isn't part of the group.

And using that logic displayed here I'll take it one step further, everyone who uses the term "pig" to refer to police is a follower of Charles Manson.

[Greenday]

Uh, yeah. The crazy guy who was the ring-leader of Helter-Skelter back before even *I* was born.

Does this have a point? Or is this simply your 'citation' that there are organized groups who refer to cops as 'pigs' and want to kill them all?

Exactly. You are picking a group and extrapolating it to everyone that isn't part of the group. Not even just a few people in a group into everyone in a group. This is the dumbest thing I've heard on Fratching.

[Peppergirl]

I take it none of you ever heard of Charles Manson

Uh, yeah. The crazy guy who was the ring-leader of Helter-Skelter back before even *I* was born.

Does this have a point? Or is this simply your 'citation' that there are organized groups who refer to cops as 'pigs' and want to kill them all?

[Red Panda]

I take it none of you ever heard of Charles Manson

[Peppergirl]

The term "pig" is closely associated with groups who want to murder as many officers, good or bad, as possible.

Oh my God. This has got to be the stupidest thing I have EVER read.

[Greenday]

The term "pig" is closely associated with groups who want to murder as many officers, good or bad, as possible.

Seems like I'm confusing word usage on Fratching again because I've NEVER heard using the term pig being associated with people who want to murder cops. It's like calling a woman a bitch or a man a dick.

[Nyoibo]

I don't care what they did, thats a horrible thing to refer to the police by. Its like if a gay person does something bad and calling him a fag, or a black person a nigger. Its simply not apropriate.

It was referring to specific individuals, not police in general, kind of the same difference as african americans and "niggers" ( I can't remember what it was but I remember seeing a clip of an interview with a black man and him talking about the difference between an african american and a nigger) or the in your face overt "fag" and his hags and a gay guy.

The term "pig" is closely associated with groups who want to murder as many officers, good or bad, as possible.

Actually it's most commonly associated with members of the Suidae family, where you get this crap about wanting to kill as many cops as possible I don't know, it's simply a perjorative most commonly used in England.

[Red Panda]

He didn't refer to "the police" as pigs. He referred to the police involved in the situation pigs.

So if a black person breaks the law its apropriate to call him a nigger?


The term "pig" is closely associated with groups who want to murder as many officers, good or bad, as possible.

[BlaqueKatt]

Those fuckers have quite literally provided, by themselves, all the evidence that is needed to convict them, and unlike so many before them, the worthless piece of crap we call the 5th Amendment to the Constitution will NOT protect them.

the "worthless piece of crap" in question

"No person shall be held to answer for a capital, or otherwise infamous crime, unless on a presentment or indictment of a Grand Jury, except in cases arising in the land or naval forces, or in the Militia, when in actual service in time of War or public danger; nor shall any person be subject for the same offense to be twice put in jeopardy of life or limb; nor shall be compelled in any criminal case to be a witness against himself, nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor shall private property be taken for public use, without just compensation"


Hmm so actually if you KNOW the constitution-it was that "worthless peice of crap" known as the fifth amendment that kept them from sitting in jail forever, or on death row-Due process of law means they got their day in court to prove innocence-without the fifth amendment-they could've been jailed on heresay or immediately executed....