Execution delays

[telecom_goddess]

My understanding is that the sedative used is a barbituate - a family of drugs known for an extremely high risk of accidental lethal overdose. Why not simplify things and just give the prisoner what's predicted to be a lethal overdose. Wait a few minutes and check - is he still breathing? If so, give him some more. That's the way a vet does it when euthanizing a dog, so it's not an unknown procedure. Also, with a single-drug system, it would be sure to knock the prisoner out before killing him.

I like it....and forget about the damn alcohol swab before hand...you know to minimize the infection that's never going to occur

[wolfie]

but it is being blocked because "The one to be executed may feel pain and a suffocation feeling if we can not verify the origin of the knock out drug." Personally if they convicted someone and in the 20 years he had, was not able to prove it was not him then why even use sedative, he murdered others probably didn't think to give them a pain killer first... GAH!

This is one thing I don't understand about execution by lethal injection. The argument about pain and suffering is due to the use of a 3-drug system in the U.S. - a sedative to knock the person out, a second drug to paralyze their muscles, then a third one (I believe it's strong potassium chloride solution) to kill them, administered in sequence.

Due to professional ethics, doctors refuse to carry out the execution, so it is done by someone without medical training. The problem is that once the paralyzing drug is given, the prisoner is unable to react to show that they are still conscious, if an inadequate amount of sedative has been used, so everything proceeds as normal and they can feel the effects of the lethal drug for the last minute or so.

My understanding is that the sedative used is a barbituate - a family of drugs known for an extremely high risk of accidental lethal overdose. Why not simplify things and just give the prisoner what's predicted to be a lethal overdose. Wait a few minutes and check - is he still breathing? If so, give him some more. That's the way a vet does it when euthanizing a dog, so it's not an unknown procedure. Also, with a single-drug system, it would be sure to knock the prisoner out before killing him.

[Mytical]

Wow where to begin. Murder is murder huh?

Guy walks in on somebody attacking their spouse and daughter. In trying to protect them, kills the intruder. Murder is murder right? So hey, lets just string him up and forget about him.

Some mad man who controls an army attacks your nation, intent on killing everybody. You fight back..you are a murderer .. right? Murder is murder after all.

Since you can't have it both ways. I call BULLOCKS. Either everything is Murder or there are extenuating circumstances.

See, I am on the fence on this actually. If somebody CHOOSES to take away the rights of another person for no reason..then to me they give up SOME of their own rights. However, I know innocent people are convicted, and those innocent should not have to pay for the crimes of others.

Since I am late to the party, guess I will have to forgo on the discussion of abusive relationships . Either that or start a new thread.

Since my Shiny things Syndrome is acting up..will end it here. Sorry, dang STS.

[Plaidman]

I'm not for execution.

But even with DNA evedence that proves people's innoncene, people still don't belive it and they remain in prison.

(Memphess three for one. None of their DNA was anywhere on those kids, yet several follicues of one of the slained/raped children's step father's hair and dna was of course found in their mouths/body and other areas in children. Nope, that doesn't prove anything. The Memphess three did it because they were different! And the mentally disabled, low IQ kid even said they did it! After being stuck in a room for many many many hours being told repeatedly they know they did it! But hey, all those hours of him saying no, and he has no idea, and he wants his mom and dad, he needs his mom and dad and crying, and so scared nad confused were completely ignored and taken out. Just that three minutes of him broken and being told he'd go home if he just say they did it was shown.



DNA evedence proves innoncence more often then not.

If only everyone could accept it rather then just go based on fear of differences in people, and not fact.

And what's funny, is that the parents of the other slain children now belive in their innoncene and is trying to free them, except one. The one with the stepfather's dna strands all over the naked bodies are of course, screaming that the memphess three did it and they must die.

[IDrinkaRum]

DNA test casts doubt as to the guilt of a Texas man, executed in 2000

Claude Jones was convicted and executed for a robbery-murder. One major piece of evidence in the case: a strand of hair, was said by the prosecution to be that of Mr. Jones. Instead, DNA testing has now shown the hair probably came from the murder victim, NOT the murderer.

Though this doesn't completely, 100% exonerate Mr. Jones as the murderer, it does, in the article's and my own opinion, shed reasonable doubt on whether or not Claude Jones was the actual murderer of Allen Hilzendager, a shop owner.

As a matter of fact, Claude Jones' lawyers asked then-Governor George Bush for a stay of execution so that the hair could be tested for DNA. However, no one told Mr. Bush about the DNA testing, and he allowed the execution to go through.

There has never been a case where DNA testing, after the convicted murderer was executed, has proven the executed person to be innocent. (There is a well-known case, in I believe, VA(?) about a guy who had proclaimed his innocence in the murder of his sister-in-law/friend of the family/him, and it was proven after his execution, that he did indeed do the rape/murder he was convicted/executed for).

The article does make mention of the case of Cameron Todd Willingham who was executed in 2004 for a 1991 fire that killed his 3 daughters. There is no outcome on the review of that so far.

[Peppergirl]

Getting back on topic:

I'm one of the few people I know who has actually gotten more liberal and open minded as I've aged.

I used to be firmly pro-death penalty. Now I feel differently. I feel like a true life sentence in a maximum security, no-frills prison is a MUCH harder punishment.

Also, even if one innocent person is put to death - that's one too many. As a supposedly non-barbaric, civilized society - how the hell do we even justify that?

I know this view probably surprising to many that know me, but there it is.

[Andara Bledin]

When all three principles of rehabilitation are effectively applied, the impact on offending is a 26–32% reduction, compared to a 3–7% increase in offending found with imprisonment alone.

Oh, don't you be bringing facts to this party. It's all about vengeance, not justice.

Gangs are starting to recruit in middle school and elementary school, you mean to tell me a 7year-old kid knows what they're doing, understands the future consequences of their actions?

Our last shooting was a kid that wasn't even in a gang. His father was trying to leave, so they shot his son to keep him with them. The guy bled to death practically on our doorstep.

In the end you didn't, because you are NO longer in abusive relationship.

You seem to be reading the words, but they don't seem to be getting through the haze of righteous indignation.

Based on your responses I'm not sure you can ever understand how it is for the victims in these situations, and it doesn't appear that you want to do more than beat them down for not being stronger.

^-.-^

[telecom_goddess]

I'm not sure how it got on the domestic abuse topic either but ok.....on that note does anyone realize that domestic abuse wasn't even a crime if it was being done by your spouse? It took someone named Tracey Thurman to get almost killed and essentially disabled for the rest of her life from her husband stomping on her head to get it made illegal. And this was done AFTER she left him. So no it's not always easy to leave and even when you do you can still be in danger.

[Boozy]

I'm not entirely sure how a thread called "Execution delays" got on to this, but here we are.

Just a preliminary warning, before things get too heated:

Domestic abuse is a touchy subject for many people, including some of our members here. That's not to say we can't have a debate about it, but I would urge everyone on both sides to step carefully. Realize that some people have a previous history with domestic abuse and try to be sensitive in phrasing your replies. On the flip side, those who do have a history need to be sure that they can debate the issue without taking things too personally.

Carry on, but watch your step.

[Plaidman]

FIne. Why did you not do anything? Why did you just accept it?

In the end you didn't, because you are NO longer in abusive relationship. So it proves that it is very possible to get out. You know now what to do. So you can't say no-one knows how.

[BlaqueKatt]

You can just leave. Locked in a house? Break a window and crawl out. Boom. Now you can start walking. Since he isn't in the house an at work, you got quite the bit of time. Rent a hotel. Call up an old friend. Call up family. (Use a payphone, or call collect). Go to police. Get your abusive husband handcuffed and hauled away, and stick with the charges rather then just drop them.

wow it was that easy and I never thought of it, wow I must be a total imbecile....oh wait, it's not that easy. Though for some odd reason the armchair quarterbacks of the world seem to think it is....

[Plaidman]

never said it was just correcting the assumption people in non-abusive relationships have that "you can just leave"

You can just leave. Locked in a house? Break a window and crawl out. Boom. Now you can start walking. Since he isn't in the house an at work, you got quite the bit of time. Rent a hotel. Call up an old friend. Call up family. (Use a payphone, or call collect). Go to police. Get your abusive husband handcuffed and hauled away, and stick with the charges rather then just drop them.

[BlaqueKatt]

Point still stands. As harsh as it sounds, you both are no longer in abusive relationships.

You know how many I had after the first? More than one and less than 10 that's all I'll say.

And the only way I got out was not by myself, it was a group of friends, one of which happened to be an "enforcer" for a biker club. Yes it took a damn enforcer , and by proxy an entire biker club to keep me and my family safe.

So it's flat out POSSIBLE to do it. People just don't for various reasons, primary fear.

um the first article I linked to listed 15 reasons-only two of them were fear....had I not had help I'd be dead.

Still not an excuse to murder, unless it was self defense.

never said it was just correcting the assumption people in non-abusive relationships have that "you can just leave"

[Plaidman]

Point still stands. As harsh as it sounds, you both are no longer in abusive relationships.

So it's flat out POSSIBLE to do it. People just don't for various reasons, primary fear.

Still not an excuse to murder, unless it was self defense.

[Eisa]

^Thank you, BlaqueKatt. I was in an abusive relationship, too. I'm not in the military, nor was I trained to defend myself, so it might have been kind of doubly hard. He visited me in another state when I was visiting a friend, and then I ended up having to go with him when my friend's bf kicked us out [although he had his mom kick us out, it was supposed to be just the abuser >.>]. So in addition to the abuse, trapped in a completely different state, didn't know anyone else, lost, confused, and sleep-deprived. I ONLY got away from him because I had to leave to go back to school...and thank Gawd I did because then I could kind of "see" that yes, it was wrong. But I would even talk about it to people while I was with him, and they would be like, "No, it was just bad communication." Last I checked, saying "no" and the other person proceeding anyway wasn't just bad communication, but that's another thread.