Father Teaches Daughter Lesson About Facebook

[Greenday]

And that his kid needs to have Straight A's, along with saving the world, cleaning the house, working all the time and having no social life whatsoever....

Some people expect their kids to be super-son/daughter.

It's funny, I didn't get that at all from the video. I just got that he wanted his kid to do her chores without complaining in an inappropriate manner like a normal kid would.

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He sounds like one of those idiots who expects his kids to be out of the house at 18. Well sorry pal but unless the econony gets better, that's a damn unrealistic expectation.

Asshole.

And that his kid needs to have Straight A's, along with saving the world, cleaning the house, working all the time and having no social life whatsoever....

Some people expect their kids to be super-son/daughter.

I wonder if he'd be comfortable with his daughter moving out of home, but still relying on him indirectly through taxpayer funded benefits

[Lace Neil Singer]

Where does it say that? I didn't get that, but then I didn't watch the whole video either. Just most of it.

Transcript here: http://lybio.net/tommy-jordan-facebo...d-teen/people/

We have a lady that cleans the house for us as a favor to treat off some services. She is not – and you will never again refer her as a cleaning lady. That lady works harder in one day than you have ever in your life.

[DrFaroohk]

I got the impression from watching the video that the "cleaning lady" was in fact, not a cleaning lady at all; just a family friend doing a few favours in return for favours done to her.

Where does it say that? I didn't get that, but then I didn't watch the whole video either. Just most of it.

[Lace Neil Singer]

I got the impression from watching the video that the "cleaning lady" was in fact, not a cleaning lady at all; just a family friend doing a few favours in return for favours done to her. Therefore, calling this woman a "cleaning lady" is like calling her a servant and is therefore disrespectful. Say your friend drives you to work as a favour and your kid calls them "the chauffeur" or "the help". You might not think that disrespectful, but obviously some people would.

[Gravekeeper]

The question was asked why people kept bringing it up and that was the answer. Neither KnitShoni nor I made any claim that everybody was doing it or that nobody was avoiding it.

So jack brings it up originally, and its a valid opinion, no one talks about it for some odd 10-11 pages before it comes up again. I talk about it again in response to someone else, after stating a couple of times that the circumstances and consequences don't matter as the problem is the method of disciple. Then HYHYBT brings it up again a while later, with valid reasoning honestly, Knit generalizes with "people" to avoid naming anyone I assume. But I guess generalizing is okay now. Then you answer that its because the "people" in question essentially can't handle the real argument despite the fact thats what we've all been discussing.

Got it ;p

[Andara Bledin]

....Yes, because no where in this thread did we ever discuss any of the other core issues of the problem. Its all been about this "straw man". >.>

The question was asked why people kept bringing it up and that was the answer. Neither KnitShoni nor I made any claim that everybody was doing it or that nobody was avoiding it.

You're reading a whole lot more into the exchange than exists and making much ado about nothing.

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[Gravekeeper]

He punished her using the same forum that she used to warrant the punishment.

He used a larger forum than the one she used to warrant the punishment. When he was called upon to be the grown up here, he failed.

so you have to let them be hellions in public and then make sure your punishment is private so they have to find out later on their own what the consequences end up really being.

That might be relevant if this had physically occurred in public. But it is not applicable seeing as this occurred online and initially occurred outside of dad's view.

Except his video gives that impression. He doesn't seem to care much about the venue as he mostly acknowledged that her friends were the ones to see it he seemed to focus more on "You and your friends having a big laugh thinking your so much smarter than us"

One wonders why he cares what a bunch of teenage girls think of him online. -.-

Because it's much easier to attack the straw man of "she was punished for ranting" than to go after the "she was punished for disobeying her parent's order to not be disrespectful on Facebook."

....Yes, because no where in this thread did we ever discuss any of the other core issues of the problem. Its all been about this "straw man". >.>

Exactly. A cleaning lady is to help out. Not literally do everything.

No, a cleaning lady is to do whatever cleaning it is she was hired to do by her client. Whether it be some things or everything. You can't make a universal declaration of job responsibilities based on a job title alone. Especially one that vague.

Sorry, as a kid, she's bottom of the totem pole and gets the shit work while the adults at the top of the food chain have to do all the real, tough, important work.

Odd, I thought people had kids because they wanted kids, not because they wanted free live in labour to do all the shit they feel is beneath them. -.-

[Greenday]

Unless you're on the job...

The issue with the whole "cleaning lady" thing was the idea that she apparently had that because this woman came in and cleaned, that should get her out of doing chores at all. Even if the woman was a full time cleaning lady, not temporarily because of some arrangement, that does not give this girl a get out of chores free pass.

Exactly. A cleaning lady is to help out. Not literally do everything. Everyone I know who had one (albeit that wasn't many people) always picked up themselves. I mean, if it weren't for chores, $20 says the mom would be doing all the cleaning and everything around the house while the father runs the business. Then we'd have a whole new round of complaining about it being unfair. Sorry, as a kid, she's bottom of the totem pole and gets the shit work while the adults at the top of the food chain have to do all the real, tough, important work.

[KnitShoni]

As for teaching her the consequences. 99% of the time complaining about someone to your friends has no real consequences. Nor does swearing.

Unless you're on the job...

The issue with the whole "cleaning lady" thing was the idea that she apparently had that because this woman came in and cleaned, that should get her out of doing chores at all. Even if the woman was a full time cleaning lady, not temporarily because of some arrangement, that does not give this girl a get out of chores free pass.

[Greenday]

As for teaching her the consequences. 99% of the time complaining about someone to your friends has no real consequences. Nor does swearing.

Complaining about how bad you have it and basically calling it abuse does have consequences when the wrong person sees it and has a chat with the authorities.

[jackfaire]

and the family friend.

Except all she said was that said family friend was the cleaning lady. To me that wouldn't be disrespectful. That is her job title.

The dad somehow thinks it was disrespectful to refer to her as 'the cleaning lady' He apparently thinks that job title is a demeaning one or something.

That would like saying my friends kid calling me a Customer Service Rep is disrespectful.

As for teaching her the consequences. 99% of the time complaining about someone to your friends has no real consequences. Nor does swearing.

[KnitShoni]

Sounds to me like what my parents told me and we told our kids: If you are going to college and/or working, we'll let you stay here as long as you need to (provided you don't disrespect us and our house). But if you have no job, aren't looking for a job, and aren't trying to go to college or learn a trade, you're going to have to go.

[Rageaholic]

Maybe it's just me, but this video comes across as more of a threat than any kind of discipline. "It's about to get a whole lot harder" Also,

“The kids today ARE self entitled, spoiled, adverse to working, and basically have NO usable skills taught to them in schools,” he opines. “Yes some of you out there excel. If you’ve graduated high school and at least pay some of your own bills, then I’m not talking to you. If you however are 25 and live with your parents because you’re too lazy to get a job, then yes, I’m talking to you. Half of that is the parent’s fault for thinking that the school system is supposed to raise their kids. The other half is a parent’s fault for letting our school systems get to the utterly pathetic state they are in. It’s your kid.. so no matter what it’s ALWAYS your fault.. get it?”

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He sounds like one of those idiots who expects his kids to be out of the house at 18. Well sorry pal but unless the econony gets better, that's a damn unrealistic expectation.

Asshole.

[Andara Bledin]

Why do people keep acting as if showing your child there are consequences for expressing your opinion in a disrespectful manner is exactly the same thing as punishing your child for having an opinion?

Because it's much easier to attack the straw man of "she was punished for ranting" than to go after the "she was punished for disobeying her parent's order to not be disrespectful on Facebook."

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