Pro-life protesters

[Dreamstalker]

Since my regular hospital suddenly decided to refuse my insurance (thanks for telling me three freaking years after you actually made the decision, claiming I owe you $3K but refusing to offer proof of the bills you say you sent and humiliating me in the process by escorting me out of the building) I've started going to the PP clinic across town for my exams/pills/whatever.

My appointment was on Friday morning so I thought I'd escape the antiabortion nutballs that are there on the weekends. Not quite. They were setting up their fun little posters outside when I arrived (I did note that they were violating the clearly marked minimum-distance, so let the security guards know) and were in full swing when I left. Still violating the distance rule but a cop car was idling nearby.

I snarled at one pro-lifer who actually tried to grab me (do not touch me before I've had my coffee, hell if I don't know you do not touch me at all) and snapped at another to "go take care of the orphans you're forcing into the world" (that actually made the woman stop and stare, I think I broke her brain). I find it sad that they assume anyone entering or leaving is there for an abortion (there is an actual abortion clinic down the street; the only sign it's a clinic are the pro-lifers with their posters in full view of little kids walking to school, which IMO is worse than the clinic's just existing there quietly).

[smileyeagle1021]

Hell, if you really want to break their brain, remind them that not only does planned parenthood do a lot more than abortions, but the vast majority of their patients aren't seeking an abortion...
At least in Salt Lake they are the largest low cost STD tester in the state... in fact if I'm not mistaken they are the only low cost STD testing center in the state.
Hell, you can go to planned parenthood in Salt Lake for help TO GET pregnant (they won't do invitro but they will help you with less extreme methods like helping you figure out when you are most fertile and providing prescriptions that will help increase fertility).
Now, that would really break the pro-lifers brains.

ETA- ask them, (let them think that they are stopping an abortion), "oh you've opened my eyes and saved my baby, but I still won't be able to take care of it... would you mind too much if I had a gay couple adopt it" and watch (at least the older ones amongst them, younger people don't tend to have a correlation between opposing abortions and opposing lgbt equality, but older people do have a correlation between them) them try to figure out how to respond.

[Rageaholic]

They are zealots, fucking self righteous judgmental zealots.

I have nothing against those who feel abortion if wrong, but grabbing random people on the street? That's insane.

Perhaps more people would listen to these nutcases if they weren't such nutcases in the first place.

[Greenday]

They used to come on my school's campus and protest and crap. Hold up signs of aborted fetuses and stuff. Seriously, I don't know what they are trying to accomplish. People by 18 are usually set on whether they are anti-abortion or pro-choice.

[Dreamstalker]

I agree Rageaholic; they're PETA for the antiabortion crowd (the unreasonably extreme vocal minority makes even the sane ones look bad). I'm fine with someone being pro-life as long as they don't try to claim they know how my body works/ram their views down my throat (do I lecture you on why abortions are good? No? Then go away kthx).

A few years ago it was discovered that a lot of the posters that the loons around here use are Photoshopped.

I don't think I'm allowed to intentionally hurt them , but screaming/reacting to being grabbed would get plenty of attention in that area.

[Ginger Tea]

Do prolifers ever look into adoption of 'saved' babies that are later abandoned by thier parents shortly after birth, going by the OP statement of breaking brains, I'm guessing no, as an orphan might actaully have both biological parents alive, but no one knows who they are.

I have a feeling most anti animal testing wouldn't be first in the queue for human testing should no alternatives be around either.

[Dreamstalker]

Do prolifers ever look into adoption of 'saved' babies that are later abandoned by thier parents shortly after birth

Good question. I recall reading that their "lifesaving medical advice" only extends to making sure a pregnancy is carried to term; if there are any major problems the mother is SOL.

The fetus has a severe birth defect and would only live for a few weeks or months in intense suffering? That's fine as long as it's born. The mother has no feelings anyway if she wanted an abortion.

Been raped and have a medical condition where a pregnancy will definitely kill you? Apparently having an abortion is worse.

[Ladeeda]

Pro-lifers don't give a shit about living beings. Just pre-beings. The embryo, fetus, whatever. Adult women? Don't care! The children born because said adult women couldn't get an abortion? Don't care! They can drop dead, so long as they were born.

STI testing? The slut shouldn't be sleeping around, because only sluts sleep with anyone before marriage, or without trying to get pregnant. Oh, you were raped? Shouldn't have been wearing that/in that area/doing that, you fucking whore.

[Dreamstalker]

I was going to say that pro-lifers should be forced to volunteer in a shelter/orphanage, but even that might not get through their skulls.

[Ladeeda]

Or sit in on some LEGITIMATE counseling sessions for a woman to figure out what her best option is.

Might work on some of the younger ones who never heard anything else.

[Dreamstalker]

The older pro-lifers would probably try to use said counseling session as a soapbox.

[Racket_Man]

Pro-lifers don't give a shit about living beings. Just pre-beings. The embryo, fetus, whatever. Adult women? Don't care! The children born because said adult women couldn't get an abortion? Don't care! They can drop dead, so long as they were born.

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here comes another George Carlin clip:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AvF1Q3UidWM

the best line is "how come when it is a human embryo it's an abortion, but if it is a chicken egg it's an omlet????"

[Ginger Tea]

well with chicken eggs they are not fertilised so its not an abortion its menstural

"How do you like your chicken period?"

Sitting in on a counciling session is a bad idea as they would turn it into a soap box, iir some even opened up a clinic to then coerce women into not having an abortion, even using a model of a x week foetus and putting it in the womans hands saying
"This is what your child looks like now"
Makes me want to make a mould of a foetus just so I can make chocolate treats to hand out to protestors.

How much per child does it cost to raise in an orphanage? Seeing as its tax payers money raising said children, every abandoned child that would have been aborted just ups the taxes for the protesters as much as everyone else.

[Dreamstalker]

Sitting in on a counciling session is a bad idea as they would turn it into a soap box, iir some even opened up a clinic to then coerce women into not having an abortion

That's what the "free medical advice" they were trumpeting on Friday seemed like.

The only orphanage cost average I could find is around $37K/year per child; if they require special medical or psychiatric care/supervision that number could probably be doubled. It also probably can vary by region/city.

I think the pro-lifers' response to the orphans (or babies that would die anyway that they force to be born) being a drain on an already taxed system would be "well, it's not MY problem"/"You should have thought of that before you got knocked up" Maybe force them to support at least one orphan until the child can live independently, and remind them constantly that "you wanted this child, you deal with it".

There are some whackaloons who believe that oral contraceptives are "abortion pills". If an abortion can only occur if there's a fertilized egg to begin with...I don't get it.

I love the idea of the chocolate fetuses

[Glados]

I have asked this question of a hard core pro-life advocate before. His response was that economically society profits from having more living people. He claimed to have personally done the math and even if the state had to raise the child until 18, the person spent 10 years in jail, and only ever worked for minimum wage that the taxes paid by this person over a lifetime will be more than any taxes spent on the care and imprisonment of the person?

It costs around $40,000 a year to house a prisoner and around that for taking care of a child. That's roughly 1,120,000 for the first 18 years and the 10 years in prison. I make double minimum wage and pay around 6,000 a year total in taxes. I get a refund for around 2,000. That leaves 4,000 a year in uncle sams pocket. By my calculations, a person would have to live to at least 308 years of age just to break even.

There is no logic that works with people who protest these things on emotion and religious conviction. In my experience, they will just insist on using flawed logic or resort to calling a pro-choice person a murderer.